this is nelson drew's wife, sandy. [applause] >> and those three are very much in our minds every time we think about this valiant effort to restore peace there and save bosnia. but wes was on that trip and understand from the difficult periods leading up to the end of the war on bosnia how important from a military standpoint the intelligence was, and we like to hear from the military perspective of both the need for leadership and marrying force and diplomacy and the bosnia conflict, but also from mr. standpoint how important the intelligence piece of that was. >> there's the president, there's the principals committee where sandy and leon, madeleine were. and then there's the deputies committee, and then there's the rest of us who are out there. so i came in as the j5. i was a three-star and they didn't understand how the system works. i came out of the first calvary division. i heard about washington but it's kind of intimidating to come in there spent explain to the audience what j5 is. is. >> j-5 is one of eight